Hey all of you private lenders out there, this episode is for you… and unfortunately, it involves your preferred asset type, and our friends at the IRS. I’m Bryan Ellis. I’ll tell you all about it right now in Episode #242 of Self Directed Investor Talk.
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Good show for you today, folks, prompted by a telephone consultation I did yesterday for two attorneys who have a major private lending business OUTSIDE of their self-directed IRA… and are also doing MILLIONS in private lending business INSIDE of their IRAs. These guys have a lot at stake… I did some research, and I’ll tell you what I found.
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Ok folks, so here’s the deal: Again, you people are providing the content of my show for me. I had a consultation with a couple of your fellow listeners yesterday. For their privacy, I won’t say their names, but all of the details I’ll share with you are accurate.
The basic idea is this: Both of these guys are lawyers up in Rhode Island, so they know more than enough to understand the need to be careful. But their legal expertise is in real estate and title work, and not in retirement plan law.
Their concern is this: Both of them have very large IRA’s, from which they do a lot of private lending. They also have a very substantial private lending business OUTSIDE of their IRAs.
For those of you who may not be familiar, private lending is just lending your own money to some third party in such a way that you receive PLENTY of collateral and a relatively high interest rate. Private loans can definitely be a great type of asset.
So your fellow listeners up in Rhode Island are concerned about this situation because it would be an absolute DISASTER if the IRS took a look at their IRA’s and decided that what they are doing is conducting an active business within their IRA’s. That would be a disaster because then their IRA’s would be liable to pay something called “unrelated business income tax” – or UBIT for short – on its earnings each year, as the IRS isn’t keen on people operating active businesses in their retirement accounts.
So is the concern of our lawyer friends justified about this?
There’s good reason, actually. The comparable issue that many of you folks in SDI Nation may be familiar with is the one where you do a lot of real estate flipping BOTH OUTSIDE and INSIDE of your self directed IRA. In that case, there’s plenty of precedent that the IRS could, in fact, conclude that your active business is real estate flipping, and that the activity in your IRA is just an extension of your business and is thus subject to UBIT.
Obviously, that’s a very bad thing.
So if the IRS can take that position with house flipping, do our lawyer friends in Rhode Island… and do YOU, my dear listeners… face the same risk if you do private lending both IN and OUT of your self directed IRA?
I’ve certainly got the answer for you, but before I give it to you: People, I’m not a lawyer. I’m not giving you legal advice. If you need legal advice – and you do if you’re using a self directed IRA – then you should talk to a lawyer, period.
And as it turns out, the very best one in the country for this type of thing is THE GREAT ONE, Mr. Tim Berry – and YES, his contact info is linked on today’s show notes page at SDITalk.com/242.
And Tim is who I asked to help me clarify this issue.
You see, I suspected that our private lending pals might have a better time of it than if they were flipping houses because, frankly, it’s pretty hard to argue that collecting INTEREST on a LOAN is anything but passive.
And this is yet another case of being glad I asked for Tim’s advice, because he both confirmed and obliterated my assumption using case law.
Bottom line, in general: Yes, the lending activity inside of the IRA is an active business activity, and any fees earned from those activities – such as maybe document preparation – would likely be subject to UBIT. But the LION’S SHARE of income comes from earning interest from a loan. And THAT type of income – interest, specifically – is statutorily exempt from UBIT.
And yes, for you legal beagles, both the revenue ruling where this happened and the original code citations are available for you on today’s show notes page at SDITalk.com/242.
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